>> so, following my argument, the most important thing would be to try to
>> have a network of rather small servers which are well connected to
>> university radio stations, pirate radio and public broadcasting networks -
>> evenif it sounds anachronistic.
>
>i dont think that it is anachronistic - it just shows the difference
>between classic high qual broadcast & broadcasts utilizing the web ..
>
Okay, we all know the IDEA of net.radio/webradio exists.  That being said,
how do we impliment it and engage in some activity.
You can take three people in the world (any less wouldnt due), connenct
them together and call it a network.  But, that doesnt imply that you will
have any communication therein.  You can build a physical network rather
easily, but the communication schemes that come from it, and which have not
really been fully researched take time  - it seems to me that they need to
be grown.  Now, matts proposition is rather profound (although not
relatively new).   Build up access points to and from places such as
universities and public/pirate radio stations (rather practical) and have
already "built in" the expectaion of being able to flip a switch or direct
your real audio decoder to a certain location...and whamo...instant
connectivity.

some suggestions to   g r o w i n g   some networks

1.  set up shop.  we need, I think, to establish access areas, whether a
home desktop or a local radio station, where the act of setting up does not
inhibit  broadcast.  Having a regular place to go to and not have to worry
about equipment is worth more than you would think.  The idea is to spend
more time doing than preparing to do something.  Set up once, and let it
sit until the next exchange perhaps with just some minor maintinance.

2.  regulary meetings and distribution.  once a week or bi-weekly exchanges
of an hour or two.  (the 24 hour scheme is extremely interesting from a
sculpural standpoint, but not very practical from a performance standpoint
- but we can work up to that.)  the space has to be grown...and certain
expectations and demands need to be met before anything meaty can come from
it.  We come from all different parts of the world ...and getting used to
each other could take some time.  Most of the castings will probably be
crap in and of themselves...but that isnt really the idea now is it?

3.  start with a few nodes...and add more.  the more the better in this
case.  plus allowances for sub-networks is always always, always, always
good.

4.  multiple layers.   use as much "connectivity" as possible.  irc chat,
real audio, radio, anything you can think of.  IRC could be a meeting place
to prepare, set-up, direct or whatever, ( a meta-space) and the radio/real
audio space could be some sort actuallity or stage.

5. Bifurcation and bidirectionality of the streams is also important.
(granted real audio has yet a working version that can recieve more than
one channel at a time- as far as I know....but there will come a time
sooner or later)  anyone got any ideas besides buying and implimenting two
computers?  know of any other software with good compression and streaming
rates?

6. On Air - On LIne - On Site.  On air and on site being the local and
supralocal broadbandwidth situation, and on line being the pin-point
situation.    Although all may not be possible,  one will due.

these are just some ideas off the top of my head (not really anything
new)....but i think it is important to note that the physical network
already exist....but the "connectivity" will remain totally transparent
until otherwise "occupied" by  some communication/exchange.

>> also i have the feeling that the "live"
>> element is a bit overstressed in the i-net radio community - strictly
>> speaking, nothing which is broadcast via realaudio is live, thereis at
>> least a 15 sec delay;-)
>
>it is live though you have a delay - an isdn codec also
>has a delay of 700ms ... every communication has a delay ... just think
>about the speed of sound .. the difference is that the delay of realaudio
>is that big that even slow people are able to regocnize it . .. .

I have to agree with mexx on this one.  Cant stress the live aspect enough.
Granted, it may be 15 or even 30 seconds of delay....but one must consider
it as a threshold.  There may or may not be such a thing as "real time"
communication...but there is a threshold  that  allows  for real time
communication.  It may not be LIVE  but it is certainly  "live" ENOUGH.  In
other words  15 seconds is better than a day or even an hour of delay.

I do a broadcast with my partner markus seidl every friday at 8 PM  central
european time on radio FRO (www.fro.at) in Linz, Austria.  We do it on line
with real audio, webcamera and irc and also within the local cabel radio
network.  In september radio FRO will have set up a legal transmitter and
we will be on air as well.  We are looking to build up/participate within a
network and welcome any ideas or suggestions for exchange.  It could be
just as simple as saying "Hey, lets do a broadcast together."  We´re ready
and willing.

best   - august.




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